Erik – take the fruit out of your breakfast. I think you need to manage your insulin levels more closely. Keep persisting. You will come out of this rough spot in a week.
Can Mike and Fred be our paleo mascot? perhaps John C can get on that t-shirt design.
Oh, also, I am thinking it’d be appropriate for another paleo potluck. Would be people be interested in this sat night? or next weekend?
I’ve been feeling fine on strict Paleo. Perhaps haven’t been eating enough and i miss that egg/pineapple Burger at Sheeps and shrimp BLTs but i’ll live. Oh and beer, i kind of want some beer.
Haven’t had any coffee/espresso but that was more of an oral fixation thing than a habit, i don’t crave those at all. So far so good on my end.
Stay strong Erik, wait it out and if it really doesn’t get any better then we should do some major tweaks. What food/macronutrient do you feel the most deprived of?
stephaniesays
erik – hang in there! and that is coming from me who really wants nothing more than a bagel with cream cheese right now ๐
in all seriousness, i’ve cut back on the fruit, and been pairing fruit with a fat and/or protein (banana w/ almond butter, some raspberries and nuts/seeds together, etc) and i’m feeling a LOT more in control. i’m not as hungry all the time and i’m feeling pretty energetic this week despite work and rugby and physical therapy leaving me with little sleep. i’m not getting the midday slump where i NEED coffee anymore. am i still angry and craving things? – yes! but i’ve managed to tell everyone i know about this diet challenge i’m on so i’m getting support from teammates, co-workers and my roommates which is huge! i really wish i didn’t have a bum knee/ankle so i could see if/how this is affecting my rugby and some of the WODs.
erik – i’m usually the first one to cave in temptations with food. i love food and love to eat. i’m a carbavore. but i’m sticking with it. it hasn’t yet been a week – keep it up. try new food combos, etc. like margie suggested. and if you need to vent, feel free to reach out to me!
margie – i would love to be a part of a paleo pot luck! maybe an afternoon/evening thing on a sunday would work for people? with some football in the background? (saturdays through turkey day are pretty crappy for me which is why i suggest sunday, but obviously if saturdays work for everyone else, go for it)
Adamsays
Erik, EAT LOTS OF FOOD! Paleo is really tough without a good heat source, so fix your oven. And I agree with Margie and Stephanie, cut back on the fruits, add very fiber-y vegetables and go easy on the juices. The juices may have the same nutrients as the paleo foods they come from, but are digested very differently. Infinite surface area!
Margie, awesome idea; I’m down.
The performance menu has a bunch of free recipes, almost all of them completely paleo:
To post.. one more friggin time before i head out of Root Hill, I’m going to the Coop tonight after class to stock up on food if anyone wants to join me.
Memberz only.(because the office will be closed)
Margiesays
Hey gang,
I agree that sunday afternoon/evening is better but I have co-op shift this sunday night. I’d could skip out, I suppose… though i skipped last month.
I’d say if there’s a critical mass for this sunday, then i’ll skip. otherwise i suggest next sun.
Whaddaya think?
stephaniesays
i would strongly prefer next sunday (16th) if that works for the masses as i will be in fl for nationals this weekend (watching, unfortunately not playing)
Margiesays
Here’s a post from Robb on the norcal blog that sums up some of what he talked about this past weekend. Erik, there’s a long quote in there from Joel Friel about how shitty he felt the first 2-3 weeks that he switched his diet, but then remarkable things started to happen.
I’ll be out of town next weekend and unavailable this Sunday, so I might have to sit it out.
I’m feeling a little more sane right now, or perhaps just resigned to the discomfort. I am going to listen to the advice you all are giving. Starting tomorrow, breakfast will be more about vegetables and less about fruit. Fruit will be treated as, well, a treat. A small portion with larger meals will be allowed.
So far there is no single thing I’ve been craving, although I do LOVE Fruity Pebbles. It’s not even the cravings that are getting to me, it’s a weird discomfort and hunger that’s hard to explain. It sounds like Stephanie and John C. are also experiencing the same thing to some degree. It’s a very defeated feeling.
Anyway, right now I feel like I can continue with the challenge, this morning I really wanted to quit.
Scratch that-If ANYONE wants to go to the coop and get some groceries with me after class tonight i encourage you to come!
Did anyone see those PaleoKits from Steve’s Club? Jeff Yan posted a link on comments section of the nyc blog.
Rob M.says
Margie/Erik
I have both “the Paleo Diet” book and “The Paleo diet for athletes” book by Cordain and Joe Friel. Joe Friel is the author of “Going Long” which is pretty much the Bible of Ironman training. And his name is Joe, I don’t know why they keep referring to him as Joel. Anyway, moving on.I think it’s worth a read. It’s geared towards Endurance athletes but I think any athlete would benefit from reading it.
I switched to a strict paleo back in June and made my self pretty sick and miserable. I now eat more paleo than not. But I am obviously not strict about it.
Anyone who is interested is more than welcome to borrow the books.
+ Salad with Avocado, chicken and other natural goodness+ Ground Beef, Raw Peppers, Pecans+ A ton of grapes from Margie+ Ground Beef, Steamed Broccoli, Almond Butter
Warm-up:Group Class Warm-up
WOD:10R + 7 Pull-upsDefinitely dogged this one. Started out thinking i had to pace myself a lot to not hit a wall and then never really sped things up to where they should have gone.
I have to look back to see what I did last time, but I think I was reaching for 10 rounds. Felt much better this time around; the thrusters were feeling pretty good today. Got some accidental butterfly kips in there too.
Dinner:
2 sweet potatoes with pastured butter and cinnamon. Half an onion, 1/3 pound chorizo chicken sausage. Loads of cashews, fish oil.
8 rounds, 10 thrusters, 2 pullups40 seconds on the rings
yesterday
breakfast 4 eggs (bought the omega-3 kind, haven’t started in on that yet) green pepper onion broccoli
lunch – ham cheese, milk (I noticed that my ham has sugar in it! I bought the organic kind but it still has sugar in it.)
dinner – flank steak + milk
yesterday I had lunch at this cafe and I ordered a proscuitto & pear salad. More like a bunch of leaves, a tiny slice of pear, and a tenth of an oz of proscuitto. I should have ordered the burger!
I am liking this pro-milk thing. I am not drinking a gallon/day but milk is so yummy. thanks rippetoe!
some mac nuts
Erik K.says
Woke up not hating everything. Even took a couple minutes to realize I’m still on this challenge. I think the extra sleep probably helped (was in bed around 11).
Yesterday:Breakfast: Apple sauce, blueberries, turkey, walnuts, almond butterLunch: Chicken breast, snow peas, hard boiled egg, little big of pineapple6pm snack: Chicken breastDinner: Steak, broccoli, broccoli rabe, almond butter, a little bit of honeydew and cantaloupe
This morning, as promised, I changed my approach to breakfast…Bacon (4 strips), broccoli rabe, a little honeydew and cantaloupe, the last of my almond butter.Now I’m snacking on a pack of almonds.
Still feel a little cloudy, mentally, but far better then yesterday.
Also, it’s looking like I will be in town next weekend after all.
Erik K.says
oy, I just looked up snow peas. I had no idea they weren’t allowed. Oh well, it was an honest mistake. I wonder if that has anything to do with me feeling better today.
Margiesays
Erik – it’s not the snow peas… it’s probably the sleep. Thanks for mentioning it, something we all forgot to ask you about. Sleep is KEY to mood, performance and recovering. Also to insulin regulation.
Juliana – yay for posting!! I can’t remember if we got you seckel or bosc pears. Fat and little are seckel, skinny and little are bosc (or devoe).
So, it’s looking like next Sunday the 16th will be our paleo potluck. I’m thinking around 4:30 or 5, but we’ll figure it out next week. Start thinking of recipes!
stephaniesays
yay! i can make the potluck ๐ i do have a question though – BACON? i see that erik had some and to be honest i had some yesterday in an omelet but thought i was cheating a bit.
is bacon OK? if you tell me it is the next 3 weeks are going to be much much better! ๐
Margiesays
I think bacon’s fine. I mean, I’d go for nitrate free bacon and check to see if there’s sugar in there regardless of this challenge, but I personally am not opposed to smoked or cured foods – though they should be kept to a minimum.
I will say that as a source of protein, it’s probably not the best and maybe, Erik, you might want to add an egg or two to that breakfast.
What does everyone else think? And where is Charmel?!
Adamsays
Despite the book’s opinion, I’d say that bacon is more than ok. Probably try to stay away from heavily cured/salted/sugared stuff though. I really like Applegate Farms uncured organic bacon.
Erik, I ate snow peas on my diet too before I realized they were out. They’re legumes; a very minor infraction.
Rob M.says
7 rounds plus 10 thrusters and 4 pull ups (using the blue band. The last 2 rounds were murder on me. By the grace of God (and John C counting by 2s) I made it to 30 seconds on the rings.
Dinner last night was Flank steak with Portobello mushroooms, spinach salad. And a coke. And a fudgesicle.
stephaniesays
YAY BACON!!!!
on my way to fl right now for nationals. send some good vibes tomorrow as we face our rivals at 1:30.
have a great weekend everyone – being on “vacation” this weekend is going to be extremely hard!
Erik K.says
16:27 – The double-unders saved me. The cleans sucked.
Breakfast: Bacon (4 strips), broccoli rabe, a little honeydew and cantaloupe, the last of my almond butterGetting to work: small packet of almondsLunch: beef, broccoli, assorted heated vegetables (cauliflower, squash, carrots)Dinner: Chicken, broccoli, strawberries, pecans
I felt far better today then any time during the first 5 days of the challenge. I’m still not 100%, there is still the noticeable mental cloudiness and some irritation, but it’s a serious step in the right direction. I’m hoping the worst is over and that the adjustments pay off. Yesterday I was ready to give up. Today it never seemed too bad. Week one is almost over.
Margie says
Erik – take the fruit out of your breakfast. I think you need to manage your insulin levels more closely. Keep persisting. You will come out of this rough spot in a week.
Can Mike and Fred be our paleo mascot? perhaps John C can get on that t-shirt design.
Oh, also, I am thinking it’d be appropriate for another paleo potluck. Would be people be interested in this sat night? or next weekend?
David Osorio says
I’ve been feeling fine on strict Paleo. Perhaps haven’t been eating enough and i miss that egg/pineapple Burger at Sheeps and shrimp BLTs but i’ll live. Oh and beer, i kind of want some beer.
Haven’t had any coffee/espresso but that was more of an oral fixation thing than a habit, i don’t crave those at all. So far so good on my end.
Stay strong Erik, wait it out and if it really doesn’t get any better then we should do some major tweaks. What food/macronutrient do you feel the most deprived of?
stephanie says
erik – hang in there! and that is coming from me who really wants nothing more than a bagel with cream cheese right now ๐
in all seriousness, i’ve cut back on the fruit, and been pairing fruit with a fat and/or protein (banana w/ almond butter, some raspberries and nuts/seeds together, etc) and i’m feeling a LOT more in control. i’m not as hungry all the time and i’m feeling pretty energetic this week despite work and rugby and physical therapy leaving me with little sleep. i’m not getting the midday slump where i NEED coffee anymore. am i still angry and craving things? – yes! but i’ve managed to tell everyone i know about this diet challenge i’m on so i’m getting support from teammates, co-workers and my roommates which is huge! i really wish i didn’t have a bum knee/ankle so i could see if/how this is affecting my rugby and some of the WODs.
erik – i’m usually the first one to cave in temptations with food. i love food and love to eat. i’m a carbavore. but i’m sticking with it. it hasn’t yet been a week – keep it up. try new food combos, etc. like margie suggested. and if you need to vent, feel free to reach out to me!
margie – i would love to be a part of a paleo pot luck! maybe an afternoon/evening thing on a sunday would work for people? with some football in the background? (saturdays through turkey day are pretty crappy for me which is why i suggest sunday, but obviously if saturdays work for everyone else, go for it)
Adam says
Erik, EAT LOTS OF FOOD! Paleo is really tough without a good heat source, so fix your oven. And I agree with Margie and Stephanie, cut back on the fruits, add very fiber-y vegetables and go easy on the juices. The juices may have the same nutrients as the paleo foods they come from, but are digested very differently. Infinite surface area!
Margie, awesome idea; I’m down.
The performance menu has a bunch of free recipes, almost all of them completely paleo:
http://www.performancemenu.com/recipes/index.php
Good for a pot luck and for the challenge.
David Osorio says
oh- and im down for a Paleo Potluck. I’m going to bring my no longer famous Hot Dates and something else from Scotty Hagnas’ playbook.
This saturday night is no good as i’ve committed to a party in Manhattan.
David Osorio says
To post.. one more friggin time before i head out of Root Hill, I’m going to the Coop tonight after class to stock up on food if anyone wants to join me.
Memberz only.(because the office will be closed)
Margie says
Hey gang,
I agree that sunday afternoon/evening is better but I have co-op shift this sunday night. I’d could skip out, I suppose… though i skipped last month.
I’d say if there’s a critical mass for this sunday, then i’ll skip. otherwise i suggest next sun.
Whaddaya think?
stephanie says
i would strongly prefer next sunday (16th) if that works for the masses as i will be in fl for nationals this weekend (watching, unfortunately not playing)
Margie says
Here’s a post from Robb on the norcal blog that sums up some of what he talked about this past weekend. Erik, there’s a long quote in there from Joel Friel about how shitty he felt the first 2-3 weeks that he switched his diet, but then remarkable things started to happen.
http://www.norcalsc.com/index.php/post/norcal_nutrition_are_we_crazy/
Erik K. says
I’ll be out of town next weekend and unavailable this Sunday, so I might have to sit it out.
I’m feeling a little more sane right now, or perhaps just resigned to the discomfort. I am going to listen to the advice you all are giving. Starting tomorrow, breakfast will be more about vegetables and less about fruit. Fruit will be treated as, well, a treat. A small portion with larger meals will be allowed.
So far there is no single thing I’ve been craving, although I do LOVE Fruity Pebbles. It’s not even the cravings that are getting to me, it’s a weird discomfort and hunger that’s hard to explain. It sounds like Stephanie and John C. are also experiencing the same thing to some degree. It’s a very defeated feeling.
Anyway, right now I feel like I can continue with the challenge, this morning I really wanted to quit.
David Osorio says
Scratch that-If ANYONE wants to go to the coop and get some groceries with me after class tonight i encourage you to come!
Did anyone see those PaleoKits from Steve’s Club? Jeff Yan posted a link on comments section of the nyc blog.
David Osorio says
Scratch that-If ANYONE wants to go to the coop and get some groceries with me after class tonight i encourage you to come!
Did anyone see those PaleoKits from Steve’s Club? Jeff Yan posted a link on comments section of the nyc blog.
Rob M. says
Margie/Erik
I have both “the Paleo Diet” book and “The Paleo diet for athletes” book by Cordain and Joe Friel. Joe Friel is the author of “Going Long” which is pretty much the Bible of Ironman training. And his name is Joe, I don’t know why they keep referring to him as Joel. Anyway, moving on.I think it’s worth a read. It’s geared towards Endurance athletes but I think any athlete would benefit from reading it.
I switched to a strict paleo back in June and made my self pretty sick and miserable. I now eat more paleo than not. But I am obviously not strict about it.
Anyone who is interested is more than welcome to borrow the books.
Jeremy says
14 rounds + 10 pull-ups
First 2 rounds very fast, next 12 not so much. Got up to 35 seconds on the ring supports, I was still toast from the work out.
Margie says
10 rounds + 10pullups + 2 thrusters45#; tan band pullups
got up to 30 seconds on ring holds
today’s chow:bkfst: smoked salmon, avocado, celery, radish, sprouts, lick of creamed coconut (shit is off the hook)
lunch: giant salad of mixed greens, few grape tomatoes, roast chicken, olive oil and red wine vinegar, a pecan and 2 cashews
snack: couple olives, tastes of almond, hemp and coconut butter
dinner: bluefish baked with olive oil and lemon, roasted parsnips, steamed bok choy and shiitake, concord grapes.
good day of working out and eating. And Rob, I am definitely interested in reading paleo for athletes. I have Cordain’s book already.
David Osorio says
+ Salad with Avocado, chicken and other natural goodness+ Ground Beef, Raw Peppers, Pecans+ A ton of grapes from Margie+ Ground Beef, Steamed Broccoli, Almond Butter
Warm-up:Group Class Warm-up
WOD:10R + 7 Pull-upsDefinitely dogged this one. Started out thinking i had to pace myself a lot to not hit a wall and then never really sped things up to where they should have gone.
I really enjoyed the ring game though.
Adam says
12 rounds + 10 pullups RXd
I have to look back to see what I did last time, but I think I was reaching for 10 rounds. Felt much better this time around; the thrusters were feeling pretty good today. Got some accidental butterfly kips in there too.
Dinner:
2 sweet potatoes with pastured butter and cinnamon. Half an onion, 1/3 pound chorizo chicken sausage. Loads of cashews, fish oil.
Adam says
Something in that workout destroyed my abs. I can barely sit down they hurt so much. I suspect the hollow rocks.
Juliana says
Okay so I am terrible at posting, but I’ll try to improve.
10 rounds, I felt good didn’t think I make it to 10 but I did.
Bksft:
2 hard boiled eggs, handful of nuts, 1 delicious empire apple, fish oil.
Lunch:
a whole lot of chicken, steamed veggies, that yummy sweet & spicy tea.
Dinner:
some more chicken, nuts, some slices of avocado, 2 of those pears (I forgot what kind they are margie? those little one’s)
Snack:handful of grapes some from margie, some from my own supply.
Thanks Margie for those grapes!! They rocked I felt like I was eating gummy bears (which I love).
I really enjoyed that ring game too, even though I got my ass kicked!
P.S. It puts the lotion on it’s skin, lol. …put the fuckin lotion in the basket!
see ya’ll tommorrow
Sameer Parekh says
8 rounds, 10 thrusters, 2 pullups40 seconds on the rings
yesterday
breakfast 4 eggs (bought the omega-3 kind, haven’t started in on that yet) green pepper onion broccoli
lunch – ham cheese, milk (I noticed that my ham has sugar in it! I bought the organic kind but it still has sugar in it.)
dinner – flank steak + milk
yesterday I had lunch at this cafe and I ordered a proscuitto & pear salad. More like a bunch of leaves, a tiny slice of pear, and a tenth of an oz of proscuitto. I should have ordered the burger!
I am liking this pro-milk thing. I am not drinking a gallon/day but milk is so yummy. thanks rippetoe!
some mac nuts
Erik K. says
Woke up not hating everything. Even took a couple minutes to realize I’m still on this challenge. I think the extra sleep probably helped (was in bed around 11).
Yesterday:Breakfast: Apple sauce, blueberries, turkey, walnuts, almond butterLunch: Chicken breast, snow peas, hard boiled egg, little big of pineapple6pm snack: Chicken breastDinner: Steak, broccoli, broccoli rabe, almond butter, a little bit of honeydew and cantaloupe
This morning, as promised, I changed my approach to breakfast…Bacon (4 strips), broccoli rabe, a little honeydew and cantaloupe, the last of my almond butter.Now I’m snacking on a pack of almonds.
Still feel a little cloudy, mentally, but far better then yesterday.
Also, it’s looking like I will be in town next weekend after all.
Erik K. says
oy, I just looked up snow peas. I had no idea they weren’t allowed. Oh well, it was an honest mistake. I wonder if that has anything to do with me feeling better today.
Margie says
Erik – it’s not the snow peas… it’s probably the sleep. Thanks for mentioning it, something we all forgot to ask you about. Sleep is KEY to mood, performance and recovering. Also to insulin regulation.
Juliana – yay for posting!! I can’t remember if we got you seckel or bosc pears. Fat and little are seckel, skinny and little are bosc (or devoe).
So, it’s looking like next Sunday the 16th will be our paleo potluck. I’m thinking around 4:30 or 5, but we’ll figure it out next week. Start thinking of recipes!
stephanie says
yay! i can make the potluck ๐ i do have a question though – BACON? i see that erik had some and to be honest i had some yesterday in an omelet but thought i was cheating a bit.
is bacon OK? if you tell me it is the next 3 weeks are going to be much much better! ๐
Margie says
I think bacon’s fine. I mean, I’d go for nitrate free bacon and check to see if there’s sugar in there regardless of this challenge, but I personally am not opposed to smoked or cured foods – though they should be kept to a minimum.
I will say that as a source of protein, it’s probably not the best and maybe, Erik, you might want to add an egg or two to that breakfast.
What does everyone else think? And where is Charmel?!
Adam says
Despite the book’s opinion, I’d say that bacon is more than ok. Probably try to stay away from heavily cured/salted/sugared stuff though. I really like Applegate Farms uncured organic bacon.
Erik, I ate snow peas on my diet too before I realized they were out. They’re legumes; a very minor infraction.
Rob M. says
7 rounds plus 10 thrusters and 4 pull ups (using the blue band. The last 2 rounds were murder on me. By the grace of God (and John C counting by 2s) I made it to 30 seconds on the rings.
Dinner last night was Flank steak with Portobello mushroooms, spinach salad. And a coke. And a fudgesicle.
stephanie says
YAY BACON!!!!
on my way to fl right now for nationals. send some good vibes tomorrow as we face our rivals at 1:30.
have a great weekend everyone – being on “vacation” this weekend is going to be extremely hard!
Erik K. says
16:27 – The double-unders saved me. The cleans sucked.
Breakfast: Bacon (4 strips), broccoli rabe, a little honeydew and cantaloupe, the last of my almond butterGetting to work: small packet of almondsLunch: beef, broccoli, assorted heated vegetables (cauliflower, squash, carrots)Dinner: Chicken, broccoli, strawberries, pecans
I felt far better today then any time during the first 5 days of the challenge. I’m still not 100%, there is still the noticeable mental cloudiness and some irritation, but it’s a serious step in the right direction. I’m hoping the worst is over and that the adjustments pay off. Yesterday I was ready to give up. Today it never seemed too bad. Week one is almost over.